Sunday, December 9, 2012

Zero to Awesome (comments from Aug 2 2011)



DumpleBerry
Alright, I need a lawn chair and some popcorn. I love projects like this!

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flipside
I also love reading these types of stories. I give major kudos to those that are able and willing to prove out these sorts of theories. /bookmarked

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Yomo_Kimyata
Unpossible. No one can eat their own weight in hamburgers in 30 days. Wait, is this one of those situations where my internal dialogue overwrites what someone else is saying?

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FourSpeed
Quote:
Restrictions: No AE. No borrowing money from any other character. The whole
point is to show that anyone can manage this, starting from nothing.
In the area of "disclaimers, quid pro quos" etc. (Aladdin), "anyone" can't do this.

Heck, I don't even have /auctionhouse and I've been around awhile...

Now, in terms of the actual steps and mechanics of the project, that's valid,
but you have several perks to ease the journey and quite a bit more game
knowledge than a newbie would.

That caveat out of the way, I don't see why a newbie wouldn't be able to follow
your roadmap/approach if it's clearly outlined.

In any case, it sounds fun and interesting.


GL & Enjoy,
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eryq2
I don't get it, really. I pl'd a new Fire/Thorns/Ice dom over last weekend (fri and sat) and IO'd it to soft cap snl defense with 160% rech sunday.

Your project is just to hit 50 and use WW along the way to IO at 50 in 30 days?

A tougher project would to be run a toon to 50, and try to IO a toon at 50 with whatever you get along the way. And only use the influence that you make along te way. It's a more realistic project showing that without messing with WW/BM it can't be done. (the awesome part anyways) To hit 50 and IO is what everyone does anyways. Or am i missing something other than the name AE Baby not ran in AE?

Pretty toon though, btw. I just don't get the reasoning here.

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Simian_Stalker
You are probably missing the fact that for ordinary players it takes months to get to 50 playing the game and then takes additional time to get an IO build.

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Ironblade


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Originally Posted by eryq2
I just don't get the reasoning here.

Apparently.
At the simplest level, interpret it as, "Oo! I thought of something to do that might be cool and it might be of interest to other people." No justification beyond that is needed.

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eryq2
Well, everyone knows, the more you play the faster you can get to 50. And the more time you spend in the market, the more pieces you will get. So, if i play 15 hours a day i'll get to 50 faster than someone that plays 1 hour a day. Common sense if you ask me, but good luck i guess.

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Frogfather
eryq2: Official Wet Blanket of the Market Forums


--Frog

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Rodion
These threads are interesting, but they are sort of missing the point with the struggles that new players have making ends meet in the game.

First off, your basic premise is flawed. You are starting with something: seven years of experience (from your forum join date, assuming that your subscription is contiguous). That is more valuable than just about anything.

In the real world, someone with seven years of experience in pretty much any field will be able to do a job faster and better, and enjoy much more success, compared to someone with no training or experience. Assuming their field needs people who can do the job, they can move into a new town, find work quickly, get a high salary right off the bat, get loans from banks easily because they've got a track record and the obvious knowledge to succeed.

You're like a broker with an MBA and years years of experience telling a kid that he can move to New York and become a millionaire in just one year if he works hard, does all the right things, invests wisely and flosses every night.

But once the kid gets to New York he meets the owner of Club AE who offers him a job as a bouncer. All he has to do is watch the door for a week and he'll earn a million dollars. He's not asking the kid to do anything illegal -- just watch a door at club.

You tell the kid he should know something is shady if they're willing to pay a million bucks for a bouncer for a week's work. The place is probably dealing drugs or worse.

But hey, the kids says, there's always time later on to learn the ropes and get a real job. If they're doing something illegal what are the odds the cops will raid the joint the week I'm working there? But after the week, the kid likes the money, and stays on for another week and another month, and five years later he's dealing dope and worse.

And so it is with PLing in AE.

People who have an emotional investment in the game disdain the very idea of PLing in AE, but players who have no connection yet see it as the best investment of their time for highest return. Even though it will leave them unable to "earn a living" for the rest of their lives in the game.

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HotShot462
LOL you may disdain it but some long time players who love all parts of the game see nothing wrong with leveling up a toon via AE for different reasons. If you move to a new server and are remaking a favorite toon that you have already ran the gambit from 1-50 on. ect.



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Originally Posted by Rodion
People who have an emotional investment in the game disdain the very idea of PLing in AE, but players who have no connection yet see it as the best investment of their time for highest return. Even though it will leave them unable to "earn a living" for the rest of their lives in the game.

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Nihilii
Here we can see the longtime effects of AE crack. The above poster has lost perception of up and down. His ability to form sentences is severely impaired as well. Even basic words may elude an AE addict, for example saying "LOL" instead of the intended "aargh I am shaking with rage at the idea that a random stranger on the internet dislikes my playstyle in a video game and I am now going to punch my keyboard and post the result".

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Organica (me)
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Originally Posted by FourSpeed 
In the area of "disclaimers, quid pro quos" etc. (Aladdin), "anyone" can't do this.

Heck, I don't even have /auctionhouse and I've been around awhile... ;)

Now, in terms of the actual steps and mechanics of the project, that's valid,
but you have several perks to ease the journey and quite a bit more game
knowledge than a newbie would.

Absolutely.  And in point of fact, /auctionhouse saves a few minutes of running around, but in reality it's been a long time since I played through the early levels and having sands of mu, nem staff, blackwand is EXTREMELY useful.  Those things have kept me from dying multiple occasions already.

And yes, I have a lot of game knowledge.  ^_^  But that's partly the why of a thread like this, to show what I'd do to solve these problems, so others can maybe learn a trick they didn't know.


(Side note:  as a player with two accounts who does not disdain AE, I actually haven't played a character from 1-20 in quite some time.  I routinely PL myself to that level, drop a few hundred million influence on the character, and proceed from there.  So this is something of an experiment in doing it the more old-fashioned way for myself as well.  ^_^ )

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mauk2
If even a third of the players would exert as much effort on a good costume and awesome backstory as you did, this would be worthwhile.

If I see a new player who has spent time and effort on an obviously beloved concept, they get all the help I can give them without overwhelming them. 

Carry on the awesome. 

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Ironblade

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodion
First off, your basic premise is flawed. You are starting with something: seven years of experience (from your forum join date, assuming that your subscription is contiguous). That is more valuable than just about anything.

We all know this.
The point is, "Here is what I accomplished, based on my experience, starting with nothing tangible." It's an invitation to others to benefit from someone else's experiences. In real life, you can learn from the mistakes of others, as well as your own mistakes. And you can benefit from guidance from those who are more knowledgeable than yourself.

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Fulmens
This is the Market Forum. We have secrets for making inf, and we will not shut up about them. 

I do things like this frequently- "Oh, I'm almost level 32 and I want to IO out; better make some cash." Or "Oh, spring cleaning time, I think I'll list everything at 1 inf and turn all that inf into prestige and leave myself with 1 inf + 1 rare salvage per marketer." 

It's good to get back to the basics sometimes, because although we may not see very many of them HERE, there are lots of people in game who don't believe that 50 million inf is a number they can ever get.

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eryq2

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Originally Posted by Frogfather
eryq2: Official Wet Blanket of the Market Forums

--Frog
Why? Because i don't just jump on everyone elses bandwagon? I have my own thoughts and ideas? Try it some time and you may love life a little more. If you love these ideas, good for you. For me, big deal. I don't think we will see a new poster reply saying thanks, i didn't know that if i ran missions and bought stuff in WW that i could get to 50 eventually and IO my toon. I'll be waiting to see though.

Feel free to harrass with your name calling some more though. It shows your real character and what our future generation will look like having people like you as a father.....

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